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Junior Men’s Saber (JNRMS)

November NACFriday, November 20, 2026 at 12:00 AM

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Greater Columbus Convention Center · Columbus, OH
305 approved entrants 8 strength bands

Strength distribution

Finish Range Average Range
1 - 4 3416 3650 - 3226
5 - 8 3149 3171 - 3135
9 - 16 3066 3096 - 3026
17 - 32 2886 3018 - 2803
33 - 64 2668 2891 - 2553
65 - 128 2442 2906 - 2314
129 - 256 2070 2377 - 1776
257 - 305 1662 2560 - 827

Registrations
1 Gonzalez, Emilio Scarsdale Fencing Center A26 3650 3387.28
2 Holz, Daniel Premier Fencing Academy A26 3470 3211.58
3 Atanassov, Vasil University Of North Carolina/Chapel Hill NCAA A26 3318 3054.66
4 Wang, Nicolas Fencing Academy Of Denver A26 3226 2969.41
5 Li, Howard Eagle Blade Fencers Club A26 3171 2910.35
6 Oh, Triton Princeton University NCAA A25 3151 2893.62
7 Primus, Nazir University Of Notre Dame NCAA A26 3135 2881.48
8 Tse, Aiden J Premier Fencing Academy A26 3138 2880.94
9 Ermakov, Semeon Fencing Academy Of Denver A26 3091 2839.69
10 Huang, Alex Lilov Fencing Academy A26 3096 2833.31
11 Anthony, Devyn Peter Westbrook Foundation A26 3079 2823.44
12 Shoman, Noah Manhattan Fencing Center A25 3068 2819.11
13 Guffey, Christopher Globus Fencing Academy A26 3063 2809.77
14 KIM, ELIJAH Globus Fencing Academy A26 3055 2801.06
15 Joo, Jeein South Bay Fencing Academy A26 3050 2799.03
16 Cheong, Heonjun Sabio Fencing Academy A26 3026 2772.51
17 Ng, Jonathan Durkan Fencing Academy A26 3018 2760.56
18 chon, Collin Globus Fencing Academy A26 2987 2734.55
19 Ye, Eric US Air Force Academy NCAA University A25 2971 2704.84
20 Kang, Evan Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. A25 2925 2672.20
21 Kim, Ethan New York Renaissance Fencing Institute A25 2925 2669.69
22 Lee, Noah University Of California San Diego NCAA A26 2912 2660.16
23 Miyasaki-Castro, Masanobu South Bay Fencing Academy A26 2901 2649.26
24 Chung, Connor Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A26 2885 2632.95
25 Vaid, Luke Nellya Fencers A26 2879 2627.94
26 Kovalev, Daniil West Coast Fencing Academy A26 2859 2604.53
27 Lin, Maxim Zeta Fencing A25 2841 2589.03
28 Patel, Rayn Capital Fencing Academy A25 2834 2578.68
29 Hwang, Jayden LA Fencing Academy of Pomona A26 2819 2565.74
30 Pi, Alexander Johns Hopkins University NCAA A25 2813 2556.51
31 Skarbonkiewicz, Maksymilian Oregon Fencing Alliance A25 2809 2556.29
32 Zhao, Lucas Aura Fencing Academy A26 2803 2550.95
33 Hu, Christopher Stanford University NCAA A24 2802 2549.46
34 Kushkov, Daniel Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. B25 2792 2537.66
35 Yan, William Nazlymov Fencing Foundation A25 2780 2523.51
36 Chambers, Miles Tim Morehouse Fencing Club B26 2769 2508.64
37 KIM, seoha Sabio Fencing Academy A26 2841 2492.36
38 Mehan, Nicholas Olympian Fencing Studio A26 2748 2491.08
39 Wang, Zhuoyi LA Fencing Academy of Pomona A26 2724 2471.68
40 Ursu, Marcel Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A26 2718 2458.54
41 Bosita, Carson Stanford University NCAA A26 2704 2449.42
42 Kim, Kendrick Globus Fencing Academy A26 2688 2435.98
43 Andres, Michael Cali Fencing A26 2688 2433.78
44 Wei, Rian Capital Fencing Academy A26 2688 2433.10
45 Wang, Daniel Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. A26 2683 2432.91
46 Munguia, Nathan LA Fencing Academy of Pomona A26 2675 2425.93
47 Gonzalez, Jake Globus Fencing Academy B26 2685 2422.86
48 Zhao, Zhiyu Southern California Fencing Academy (SOCALFA) A26 2639 2386.34
49 Yang, Phillip South Bay Fencing Academy A26 2639 2385.29
50 Kang, Matthew Premier Fencing Academy A26 2633 2379.65
51 Cricol, Damian Premier Fencing Academy A26 2637 2376.21
52 Tani, Tino Southern California Fencing Academy (SOCALFA) A26 2617 2363.58
53 Bell, Alfred (Tripp) Scarsdale Fencing Center A26 2614 2362.03
54 Elbakry, Ahmed Z1 Fencing Club A26 2891 2355.78
55 Mattoo, Deven New York Renaissance Fencing Institute A26 2606 2348.57
56 Pinto, Marcus Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A26 2592 2340.37
57 Siddiqui, Shayan Renaissance Fencing Club B26 2593 2338.69
58 Lucas, William Z1 Fencing Club A26 2575 2322.99
59 Deck, Tyson Forge Fencing Teams B26 2570 2317.38
60 Liu, Victor Sigma Fencing Academy A26 2563 2308.39
61 Wang, Justin Alpha Fencing Academy B26 2560 2307.32
62 Clark, Aram Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A26 2554 2303.88
63 Cao, Oliver West Coast Fencing Academy A26 2553 2303.02
64 Carrington, William Cobra Fencing Club LLC A26 2555 2299.84
65 So, Preston Nellya Fencers A26 2548 2298.97
66 Kitson, Chase Globus Fencing Academy B26 2548 2297.39
67 Zhao, Royce Z1 Fencing Club A26 2544 2291.60
68 Henderson, Lucas New York Renaissance Fencing Institute B26 2534 2281.26
69 Ramanan, Jaisimh ORO Fencing Club B26 2530 2277.94
70 Holz, Lucas Premier Fencing Academy A26 2528 2277.43
71 gong, zihao Scarsdale Fencing Center A26 2528 2273.92
72 Liu, Kevin Manhattan Fencing Center A25 2514 2264.10
73 Yip, Shing Chi Zeta Fencing E25 2906 2262.73
74 Biviji, Ali Cobra Fencing Club LLC B26 2514 2261.39
75 Wang, Yiyu Will Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. B26 2580 2261.35
76 Li, Ayden Southern California Fencing Academy (SOCALFA) A26 2507 2259.09
77 Gu, Andrew LA Fencing Academy of Pomona A26 2514 2258.39
78 Brimmer, Robert (Trey) Zeta Fencing B26 2507 2255.47
79 Chen, Jonathan Advance Fencing And Fitness Academy A26 2504 2254.54
80 Wong, Lucas Premier Fencing Academy A26 2502 2251.35
81 Dai, Zihou Z1 Fencing Club B26 2494 2244.96
82 Dominique, Remson Escrimeur Fencers Club A25 2499 2243.24
83 Zhu, Yuchen B26 2518 2228.22
84 Yu, Jayden Unattached A26 2552 2226.55
85 Yook, Isaac Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A26 2468 2217.86
86 Li, Alex Southern California Fencing Academy (SOCALFA) A26 2465 2216.52
87 Kang, Jeremy Premier Fencing Academy B26 2471 2214.96
88 Ramanan, Govind ORO Fencing Club A23 2466 2212.99
89 Ngo, Maximus Eagle Blade Fencers Club A26 2459 2208.68
90 Oh, Aster Scarsdale Fencing Center B26 2454 2206.49
91 Sturgeon, Cole Oregon Fencing Alliance B25 2459 2204.58
92 Nardini, Nathanael New York Renaissance Fencing Institute B25 2446 2195.90
93 Zhang, Kaixuan Globus Fencing Academy A26 2435 2185.56
94 Luc, Cedric South Bay Fencing Academy B26 2444 2183.34
95 Cao, Donald Scarsdale Fencing Center A26 2432 2179.65
96 Im, Tyler Spartak A26 2429 2175.21
97 Grigoriev, Roman Premier Fencing Academy A26 2428 2171.35
98 Laub, William International Fencing Club A25 2419 2165.59
99 Srivats, Vedh Tim Morehouse Fencing Club C26 2417 2162.96
100 McDonald, Finn Delaware Valley Fencers Club-PA B26 2406 2156.14
101 Greenstein, Viktor LA International Fencing B26 2411 2154.07
102 Wang, Tiger Eagle Blade Fencers Club A26 2392 2140.02
103 Bollu, Viren Globus Fencing Academy A26 2388 2139.05
104 Kozlov, Lucas Manhattan Fencing Center B26 2393 2136.48
105 Contractor, Cyrus Phoenix Fencing Academy B25 2388 2134.10
106 Iyer, Neil Halberstadt Fencers' Club A26 2375 2127.41
107 Ji, Johnson American Institute Of Fencing B26 2378 2127.40
108 Porter, Dupree Z1 Fencing Club B25 2376 2123.34
109 Lee, Nathan Uju Golden California Fencing Club (GCFC) A26 2370 2118.30
110 Gurewich, Benjamin Scarsdale Fencing Center B26 2370 2118.25
111 Li, Huangziyue Globus Fencing Academy C26 2369 2117.65
112 Karavas, Nicholas Fencing Academy Of Boston B26 2356 2105.62
113 Broening-Chai, Jonas Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A26 2374 2102.00
114 Lee, Brian West Coast Fencing Academy B26 2355 2101.81
115 Zhang, Shaoxuan Zeta Fencing A26 2372 2101.29
116 Bai, Evan Aura Fencing Academy B26 2348 2099.44
117 Zhao, Chen Fei LA Fencing Academy of Pomona A26 2419 2095.35
118 yu, xiaodao Aura Fencing Academy B26 2456 2093.54
119 Sangster, Arden Oregon Fencing Alliance B26 2351 2093.31
120 Gremillion, Obadiah Cali Fencing A26 2345 2093.18
121 Wong, Max Manhattan Fencing Center A26 2348 2092.23
122 Agarwaal, Yohan Cobra Fencing Club LLC A26 2341 2091.44
123 Wang, Junyu Tar Heels Fencing Academy B26 2448 2082.69
124 Tsao, Oliver Manhattan Fencing Center B26 2333 2079.19
125 Alave, Kyle Tim Morehouse Fencing Club A25 2327 2075.26
126 Ciemins, Henry Advance Fencing And Fitness Academy B26 2327 2073.30
127 Sun, Andrew Manhattan Fencing Center A26 2318 2067.11
128 Medvinsky, Daniel Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. A26 2314 2058.86
129 Anand, Rishab Nellya Fencers A26 2308 2058.83
130 Minasian, Mason Spartak A26 2307 2056.39
131 Pereira, Beckham Globus Fencing Academy B26 2291 2040.01
132 Wong, Hawken Dynamo Fencing Club - Austin B26 2296 2039.53
133 Dooley, Atticus Spartak A26 2294 2036.45
134 cai, xingzhi Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. B26 2299 2034.00
135 Tiagi, George University Of Florida Fencing Club A26 2288 2030.44
136 Wang, Theodore Z1 Fencing Club A26 2282 2029.49
137 Vedre, Neil Globus Fencing Academy B25 2270 2022.90
138 Uemoto, Ken Durkan Fencing Academy C26 2310 2018.22
139 Vo, Blake Premier Fencing Academy A26 2272 2015.07
140 Ao, Christopher Tim Morehouse Fencing Club B26 2261 2011.56
141 Aydogdu, Hakan Durkan Fencing Academy B26 2294 2006.78
142 Henry, Cadel Tar Heels Fencing Academy C26 2255 1996.30
143 Wang, Alex Globus Fencing Academy C26 2245 1995.81
144 Song, Aidan Z1 Fencing Club B26 2236 1986.51
145 Li, Michael American Institute Of Fencing B26 2243 1980.19
146 Beland, Riley James "RJ" American Institute Of Fencing B26 2230 1976.93
147 Liu, Aaron Nellya Fencers B26 2228 1975.26
148 Rinaldi, Savio Nova Fencing Club C25 2213 1965.42
149 Liang, Morgan New York Renaissance Fencing Institute C26 2208 1955.55
150 Chan, Henry The Fencing Center B26 2206 1952.42
151 Slavnov, Anton Capital Fencing Academy C26 2198 1947.59
152 Toledo, Carlos Southern California Fencing Academy (SOCALFA) B24 2377 1946.94
153 Sassi, Ilyas International Fencing Club C26 2203 1945.22
154 Khotline, Daniel Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. B26 2220 1943.24
155 Pavlenishvili, Luke Scarsdale Fencing Center B26 2204 1938.13
156 Radjabli, Maximillian Denison University Fencing NCAA A26 2247 1937.32
157 Sadhu, Neiyam Aura Fencing Academy C26 2183 1934.23
158 Balu, Aedan Tar Heels Fencing Academy C26 2196 1930.54
159 Wei, Lucas Unattached C26 2372 1930.20
160 Wong, Mac Manhattan Fencing Center A26 2205 1924.87
161 Xiao, Brayden West Coast Fencing Academy C26 2173 1923.15
162 Fang, Eason Sigma Fencing Academy C25 2173 1922.60
163 Hu, Jayden Manhattan Fencing Center B26 2171 1917.23
164 Suh, Leo Manhattan Fencing Center B26 2163 1914.81
165 Feng, Brendan Miracle Fencing Club C26 2164 1909.35
166 Siddamshetty, Ishaan Globus Fencing Academy C26 2166 1906.49
167 Chang, Ethan Saber Nation Fencing Club C25 2154 1900.88
168 Xue, Leo Sabio Fencing Academy C26 2157 1900.01
169 Park, Inwoo Scarsdale Fencing Center C26 2248 1880.39
170 Hwang, Hagan LA Fencing Academy of Pomona D26 2130 1877.84
171 Hall, Noah Forge Fencing Teams C26 2131 1877.68
172 Wong, Reagan Manhattan Fencing Center B26 2130 1870.97
173 Lee, Brady Globus Fencing Academy C26 2121 1868.37
174 Mele, Gianni New York Renaissance Fencing Institute B26 2137 1863.58
175 Chen, Cooper West Coast Fencing Academy C26 2112 1862.55
176 Zwaka, Jonas Sheridan Fencing Academy C26 2115 1862.38
177 Wang, Yongen Dynamo Fencing Club - Austin C26 2138 1860.90
178 Mermegas, Alexander New York Renaissance Fencing Institute C25 2108 1854.87
179 Berkowitz, Gavin Allegro Fencing Center A26 2125 1853.98
180 Chen, Jack Dynamo Fencing Club - Austin C26 2148 1849.20
181 Ferris Jr., Michael PDX Fencing C26 2121 1843.33
182 Hu, Harry Nellya Fencers B26 2097 1843.08
183 Tang, Morgan Halberstadt Fencers' Club B26 2095 1842.85
184 Kozloff, Wyatt Spartak C26 2091 1833.31
185 Brown, Andrew Spartak C26 2095 1827.43
186 Liu, Ethan Nellya Fencers C26 2100 1824.42
187 Nair, Sujit Salle Auriol Seattle C26 2084 1823.91
188 Liu, Leyi LA Fencing Academy of Pomona B25 2206 1819.68
189 An, Chris (Siyoung) Southern California Fencing Academy (SOCALFA) B26 2078 1817.20
190 Gatto, Enzo Spartak B26 2079 1815.87
191 Lin, Brendan New York Renaissance Fencing Institute C26 2067 1815.15
192 Ong, Dylan International Fencing Club C26 2060 1807.64
193 Parkila, Lukas Renaissance Fencing Club D26 2058 1807.52
194 Ngo, Emerson Eagle Blade Fencers Club C26 2065 1800.70
195 Moon, Noah Nova Fencing Club B26 2072 1796.19
196 Liu, Ryan Manhattan Fencing Center C26 2045 1795.43
197 Shapiro, Leo Tim Morehouse Fencing Club D26 2043 1792.64
198 Meade, Liam West Coast Fencing Academy (Austin) C26 2042 1791.64
199 Bosita, Brennan Globus Fencing Academy D26 2041 1786.53
200 Orie, Sohan Sheridan Fencing Academy D26 2060 1784.60
201 Lau, Kyrus Aura Fencing Academy D26 2031 1780.29
202 Venkatraman, Sudhir The Fencing Center B26 2028 1771.01
203 Barenboym, Michael Sheridan Fencing Academy D26 2021 1765.68
204 Liu, Jayden Capital Fencing Academy C26 2018 1765.59
205 D'Amelj, Edoardo Nazlymov Fencing Foundation C25 2015 1763.49
206 Loo, Jason Manhattan Fencing Center C26 2015 1762.33
207 Perrin, Leo Capital Fencing Academy D26 2025 1753.37
208 Hao, Johnny Cali Fencing D26 2000 1748.77
209 Srivatsav, Ishaan The Fencing Center B26 1999 1746.35
210 Crawford, William Zeta Fencing D26 2007 1746.27
211 Kovachev, Martin West Coast Fencing Academy C26 2010 1745.80
212 Liu, Marvin Unattached B26 2074 1744.64
213 Su, Kingston LA Fencing Academy of Pomona A26 2008 1732.28
214 Levin, Jacob Z1 Fencing Club D26 1995 1730.68
215 Wong, Ron LA Fencing Academy of Pomona C26 1978 1726.56
216 Yuen, Caleb LA Fencing Academy of Pomona E26 1961 1709.25
217 Dawson-Teece, Powell Fencing Academy Of Denver B26 1975 1708.54
218 Mberia, Alexander Midwest Fencing Club D26 1973 1704.27
219 Mattoo, Dhruv New York Renaissance Fencing Institute C26 1974 1700.82
220 Ching, Grant Midwest Fencing Club D26 2006 1690.95
221 Chi, Everett West Coast Fencing Academy C26 1942 1688.28
222 Gordon, Samuel International Fencing Club E26 1958 1677.73
223 So, Morgan Tim Morehouse Fencing Club (Port Chester) E26 1934 1677.38
224 Li, Ryan West Coast Fencing Academy B26 1919 1669.28
225 Benham, Grant Ohio Fencing Center D26 2088 1657.95
226 Chawla, Abhishek Capital Fencing Academy B26 1927 1653.73
227 Liu, Guanyu Globus Fencing Academy C26 1911 1651.20
228 Chen, Zhengming B26 1916 1650.60
229 Tasikas, Peter Rochester Fencing Club C26 1900 1643.18
230 Idir, Mohand-Ilyas Unattached B26 2266 1636.97
231 Turner, Benjamin Midwest Fencing Club D24 1888 1622.88
232 Chen, Shawn Globus Fencing Academy C25 1882 1616.14
233 Soules-ONo, Makoa Halberstadt Fencers' Club D26 1892 1613.71
234 Kim, Enoch Laguna Fencing Center B26 1874 1611.91
235 Welstead, Nicholas Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. E25 1881 1611.63
236 Dostal, Maximilian Cobra Fencing Club LLC D26 1873 1606.27
237 Chavan, Aditya Boston Fencing Club E26 1853 1603.24
238 Sun, Ryan Eagle Blade Fencers Club C26 1897 1600.00
239 Perry, Gwydion Wayne State University NCAA C24 1878 1596.28
240 Gu, Kevin Spartak C26 1880 1596.19
241 Lazarte, Gabriel Durkan Fencing Academy C26 1870 1592.33
242 Liao, Sirui Miracle Fencing Club E26 1862 1591.76
243 Lin, Ethan LA Fencing Academy of Pomona C26 1852 1583.77
244 Holmes, Xavier Salle Auriol Seattle C26 1834 1580.39
245 Kim, Leo South Bay Fencing Academy C26 1835 1574.05
246 Sayar, Luke American Institute Of Fencing C26 1823 1573.00
247 Bukzin, Alan Nova Fencing Club D25 1833 1567.19
248 Hu, Andrew Advance Fencing And Fitness Academy C26 1841 1559.69
249 Chan, Elliott Phoenix Fencing Academy C26 1826 1558.64
250 Naftali, Ori Midwest Fencing Club D25 1821 1557.10
251 Vu, Mark Bergen Fencing Club C26 1841 1545.88
252 Srivatsav, Anay The Fencing Center B26 1801 1543.78
253 TAN, RUI Z1 Fencing Club D26 2018 1542.42
254 Chen, Felix United Fencing Center D26 1856 1539.08
255 Sun, Eon West Coast Fencing Academy C26 1786 1521.93
256 Kang, Jayden Sabio Fencing Academy C26 1776 1514.43
257 Pak, Andrew Jacksonville Fencing Club D25 1800 1509.30
258 Ekambaram, Nikhil Sol Fencing Academy C26 1789 1506.46
259 Xie, Justin Cali Fencing C26 1769 1492.09
260 Kane, Kiran Nova Fencing Club E26 1805 1484.63
261 Li, Coby Unattached E26 1871 1483.77
262 Zhang, Lucas PDX Fencing D26 1776 1477.17
263 Zhang, Caleb Globus Fencing Academy D26 1708 1458.38
264 Toscano, Sebastian Jacksonville Fencing Club D26 1753 1454.87
265 Fischer, Noel Fence MI Fencing Academy D26 1706 1451.99
266 Shapiro, Simon Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. E26 1732 1450.19
267 Clark, Brandon Renaissance Fencing Club D26 1724 1446.87
268 Liu, Yijin Golden California Fencing Club (GCFC) D25 1691 1434.93
269 Bahk, Caleb Sheridan Fencing Academy E26 1786 1421.64
270 Kauffman, Davian Salle Du Lion Fencing Center D26 1794 1417.22
271 Fosty, Jasper Manitoba Golden Blades B26 1952 1411.09
272 Wang, Ziyao Miracle Fencing Club D26 1697 1410.93
273 Padanilam, Thomas Nellya Fencers D26 1761 1404.17
274 Awad, Omar Z1 Fencing Club C26 1746 1390.11
275 Vish, Manyu Delaware Valley Fencers Club-PA D26 1660 1382.71
276 Sun, Andy Manitoba Golden Blades C25 1720 1381.16
277 Ramani, Ari Renaissance Fencing Club D26 1666 1361.71
278 Strucker, Rocco Capital Fencing Academy D26 1677 1354.16
279 Yeazel, Colin Forge Fencing Teams E26 1653 1351.06
280 Edinberg, Azra Evanston Township High School D26 1819 1344.11
281 Valentine, Rhys Salle Auriol Seattle C26 1624 1337.05
282 Smith, Etienne New York Renaissance Fencing Institute E26 1626 1333.57
283 Bramlett, Myer Forge Fencing Teams C26 1624 1333.53
284 Pipke, Garrett Nova Fencing Club D26 1609 1323.44
285 Sloan, Ethan Spartak D26 1585 1318.67
286 Howerton, Beckett Miracle Fencing Club E26 1672 1310.56
287 Zhivich, Theodore Zeta Fencing C26 1663 1287.52
288 Han, Kyle South Bay Fencing Academy E25 1544 1282.52
289 Jambusaria, Aum Phoenix Fencing Academy D26 1675 1278.52
290 El behary, Kareem Alpha Fencing Academy C26 2019 1271.39
291 Chiang, Ethan E26 1694 1271.15
292 Biggio, Alexander Unattached C26 2560 1264.62
293 Connolly, Edward Bud Manhattan Fencing Center E26 1588 1261.71
294 Cai, Limo West Coast Fencing Academy (Austin) C26 1592 1257.99
295 Sra, Nawab Sabio Fencing Academy C26 1528 1243.63
296 Huang, Anthony Bergen Fencing Club D26 1564 1242.85
297 Li, Kent Z1 Fencing Club U 1509 1230.74
298 Tanjga, Luka Manhattan Fencing Center U 1495 1202.74
299 magitsky, Isaac Dynamo Fencing Center Inc. U 1527 1179.59
300 Held, Lev Z1 Fencing Club D25 1528 1151.63
301 Le Corvec, Thomas Ottawa Fencing U 1788 1116.43
302 YANG, LOUIS Unattached E26 1351 999.13
303 Griffin, Sid Delaware Valley Fencers Club-PA U 1179 796.50
304 Kim Zoller, Jacob Oregon Fencing Alliance U 988 412.22
305 Xiao, Yi Eagle Blade Fencers Club U 827 141.27

Rank is based on the conservative estimate, `mu - 3*sigma`, rather than raw strength alone. Newer or less-certain fencers can still appear lower than someone with a similar average but tighter confidence.